Too Orangey For Popes

Ian

Ian began writing Twohundredpercent in May 2006. He lives in Brighton. He has also written for, amongst others, Pitch Invasion, FC Business Magazine, The Score, When Saturday Comes, Stand Against Modern Football and The Football Supporter. Ian was the first winner of the Socrates Award For Not Being Dead Yet at the 2010 NOPA awards for football bloggers.

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7 Responses

  1. Moore says:

    A contender for the most violent game ever, but I can’t wait to read your piece about Honduras Vs El Salvador in July 1969.

  2. colin says:

    I may have unintentionally misled in the previous comments. If I remember correctly, Woods and Butcher were found guilty of Breach of the Peace, McAvennie not guilty and Roberts Not Proven.

    It’s difficult to tell whether it’s better or worse than before these days. Celtic have been signing Protestants for 100 years and Rangers will now more openly sign Catholics.

    Certain songs have been unwelcome at Celtic Park for quite some time now, but they still crop up when they play away – and Rangers are beginning to get the picture after being investigated by Uefa last season.

    Personally, I think one of the biggest problems Scottish football has in this area is the line peddled by every other club that it’s an Old Firm problem and, therefore, they don’t have to do anything about it.

    I still reckon some of the worst examples I ever saw were at Tyncastle, for instance – which developed last year into a cheery new habit of concentrating abuse on Asians in the visiting support.

    And, perhaps more to the point, there’s no real value in Celtic and (belatedly) Rangers confiscating season tickets for the singing of certain songs if the very same behaviour is tolerated in Dundee, Aberdeen and so on.

  3. twohundredpercent says:

    Ah, “not proven”. That clever law that says “we know you did it, but we can’t definitively prove it”. Out of interest, if, say, an employer was to run a criminal record check on someone that had been found “not proven” of something, would it show up?

  4. Ed says:

    The more remarkable thing that the number of people who’ve played for Celtic AND Rangers are the similarly limited numbers of players who’ve appeared for both Liverpool and Manchester United. No sectarianism there, just good old-fashioned chips on shoulders.

  5. colin says:

    A quick check of my Disclosure Scotland record* reveals that a Not Proven verdict wouldn’t show up on a Basic, Standard or Enhanced disclosure.

    *The guidance. Not the bit about me. Obviously.

  6. Anonymous says:

    It seems very strange to consider the Woods-MacAvennie spat as “handbags”, whilst calling the equal intervention of Butcher and Roberts an assault.

    MacAvennie started the whole thing, having heavily clattered into Woods on two or three previous occassions, but referee Jim Duncan chose to avoid those and is guilty of letting the situation escalate.

    Even MacAvennie was surprised by the fact he got off and the others were punished or received “not proven” verdicts.

    Your other comments relating to sectarianism also reveal a bias.

  7. Anonymous says:

    The previous anonymous poster is right. MacAvennie clattered into Woods several times previous to their sendings off.

    The referee, Jim Duncan as I recall, should have had a word earlier, or even booked MacAvennie.

    Butcher and Roberts didn’t do anymore than they did. The description of it being a “full on assault” is way off the mark.

    Finally, Rangers didn’t sign these players in 87. It was 86. So apart from these omissions, errors and inaccuracies, it was an otherwise mediocre article.

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